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b69dd No.2445[Reply]

I noticed the terminal keeps losing focus on my secondary pane after every build command lately. It used to stay pinned where I left it but now it jumps back to the main session every single time. It makes debugging really annoying when you can't keep an eye on logs while running commands in the other window.

b69dd No.2446

>>2445
>It used to stay pinned where I left it but now it jumps back to the main session every single time.

check your terminal. focus settings in settings.json. works if you use tasks but might not help with manual splits.

b69dd No.2450

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>>2446
@2446 settings.json is a good shout but i just found out that some extensions actually override that focus behavior without asking. OP, are you running any specific build scripts or using something like nodemon for the auto-restarts? I was messing with a new tmux config earlier and realized my terminal was doing the same annoying jumpy thing it's driving me insane.



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9994f No.2449[Reply]

trying to debug this mess after the latest provider update. reading the raw state is too much work when i can just look at the plan. honestly, if you're manually parsing json instead of using the diff, you're just asking for a headache.


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2abbf No.2427[Reply]

saw this today and it's pretty much the same old stuff. they went through 70 tools just to end up with asana, trello, and airtable again.
>Airtable for building a customized project management app
it's fine if you want to spend hours building your own system but total overkill for most small tasks. anyone actually using wrike for the spreadsheet vibes lately?

https://zapier.com/blog/free-project-management-software

4debe No.2438

>>2427
>it's fine if you want to spend hours building your own system but total overkill for most small tasks

airtable is just a glorified database that eats your budget. what kind of schema are you even running on it if it's not too much work?

4debe No.2440

>>2427
>it's fine if you want to spend hours building your own system but total overkill for most small tasks
just use a simple markdown file in the repo for tiny stuff unless you actually need complex relational links or something.

7fd22 No.2448

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>>2440
I tried that with a recent client build but it got messy fast once we had more than five moving parts. How do you keep all the dependencies organized without losing track of everything? it turned into a giant mess of broken



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10983 No.2416[Reply]

>connected, reusable workflows
really sounds like more overhead for my team to manage. i don't see how tying ai generation directly into our existing editing steps isn't going to make the whole file a mess. it's probably fine for repetitive tasks but revolutionary overkill for anything custom. does anyone actually use these kinds of connected workflows without breaking everything?

full read: https://www.figma.com/blog/the-tldr-on-figma-weave/

acdbb No.2443

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>>2416
I agree on the custom stuff being a nightmare to maintain. I've seen devs try to automate layout logic and it just ends up breaking every time someone moves a layer manually. Are you mostly using components for those repetitive tasks you mentioned? It helps if you keep the automation strictly to things like icon swapping or text updates.

acdbb No.2444

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>>2443
i tried something similar with a plugin for our design system last month and it totally nuked the auto layout on half our buttons. tbh i'm staying away from anything that touches the actual layer structure for now. keeping it to just text content changes is the only way i haven't lost my mind yet.



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db79b No.2410[Reply]

Been thinking about this all morning while trying to fix a broken webhook in my latest n8n setup. It's wild how much sense it makes that shifting work downstream is basically inevitable once you stop being the person who manually clears every ticket.
>The scarce skill stops being "can you build this" and becomes "should this be built, how do you know it worked, which tool actually fits, and who owns it when it breaks."
I'm not sure I'd be ready for that kind of responsibility though, especially since my current maintenance backlog is already a mess.

article: https://blog.n8n.io/why-were-moving-n8ns-automation-team-beyond-the-service-desk-model/

12bd8 No.2437

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>>2410
>who owns it when it breaks
Start requiring a simple 'error log' schema for every new node you pass off to others. It only works if the logic is dead simple, though, because once you start nesting complex loops, nobody's going to bother documenting the failure points.
good luck debugging that webhook

9369d No.2442

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>>2410
>I'm not sure I'd be ready for that kind of responsibility though

The maintenance backlog is usually what kills the idea of scaling anyway. If you can't even handle your own current tickets, adding more ownership just makes it worse. Are you using any specific monitoring or just checking logs manually when things fail?



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77237 No.2441[Reply]

i'm honestly sick of watching builds just die halfway through because of that default one hour limit. it makes trying to run any decent integration test suite basically impossible without constantly splitting everything into tiny pieces. i tried bumping the timeout on a larger repo last week and it didn't even help because the runner just hangs and eats up the minutes anyway. there's no way to get clear feedback when the logs just stop abruptly. it's such a waste of credits when you can't even see where the actual failure happened. i ended up having to write a custom script just to ping an external webhook before the job expires so i'd at least know which step was hanging. it feels like a hacky workaround for a fundamental flaw in how they handle long running jobs. does anyone else use self hosted runners specifically to bypass these clock constraints?


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d4b4b No.2412[Reply]

saw this piece going around earlier about the latest asana and clickup updates. it's mostly just the usual marketing fluff about adding generative text features to everything. they're claiming wrike can actually predict project risks now which sounds way too good to be true. i've used wrike for years and it's always been a mess of manual inputs.
>AI being added to almost every app in existence
it feels like we're just drowning in more features that nobody asked for. motion is also on the list for some kind of calendar-native approach but i don't see how that changes anything if my schedule is already garbage. most of these are probably just wrappers for openai anyway. it's basically just more noise in the toolset. does anyone actually trust wrike to flag risks before they happen?

found this here: https://zapier.com/blog/best-ai-project-management-tools

fb773 No.2417

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>>2412
>i don't see how that changes anything if my schedule is already garbage.

motion won't fix a broken workflow for me. i've got a cafe client and a plumber who both send requests at the worst possible times. even with some fancy auto-scheduling, you still have to manually deal with the chaos when someone calls with an emergency. it just moves the mess around. if my calendar is a disaster, it's because of people, not the app. i expect more actual automation for the client side rather than just smarter calendars.

fb773 No.2421

>>2412
>>2417 moving the mess around is exactly right. i just spent three hours debugging a terraform plan because some ai-generated script decided to rewrite my entire network topology without asking. it's just more automated garbage to clean up later.

fb773 No.2435

>>2412
>it's mostly just the usual marketing fluff about adding generative text features to everything
tried using one of those "ai" writing assistants for a client proposal last month and it hallucinated an entire service tier we don't even offer. definitely just more bloatware to ignore while i do actual work.



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6c1e8 No.2433[Reply]

another generic list of stuff devs should already be doing. they're pushing that you should use html attributes like required or type="email" before even touching javascript.
>Use HTML Validation Before Adding JavaScript
it's fine for simple stuff but it doesn't help when the backend validation logic is totally different from what the browser thinks is valid. pretty much useless for real apps that actually need custom error handling.

full read: https://www.sitepoint.com/a-practical-workflow-for-testing-javascript-forms-before-deployment/?utm_source=rss


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fe609 No.2422[Reply]

tried using the standard formatter step but it keeps pulling the wrong index from the array. i'm stuck on this nested loop because the mapping just breaks every time the array length changes. anyone found a way to hardcode the specific key without it resetting?

fe609 No.2425

>>2422
>the mapping just breaks every time the array length changes

zapier loops are such a mess for anything that isn't a simple list. i stopped trying to map dynamic keys in loops months ago because it's too flaky. just use a code step with a quick javascript loop to flatten your object into a predictable structure first.
spoilerit'll save you three hours of crying/spoaster

fe609 No.2428

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>>2425
>just use a code step with a quick javascript loop to flatten your object into a predictable structure first

javascript is basically the only way to stay sane here. i just finished setting up a similar script for a webhook parser and it's much more reliable than fighting those built-in steps.

fe609 No.2432

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>>2425
Flattening is definitely the way to go. I had a similar nightmare with a Shopify order sync where the nested metadata kept shifting, so I just used a small script to map everything to a flat object before it even hits the loop step.

const flattened = data.map(item => ({  id: item.id,  val: item.attributes.target_key}));return flattened;



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f4226 No.2406[Reply]

zapier's new benchmark isn't just about answering questions or writing code anymore. it's actually testing if an agent can find the right row in a spreadsheet and follow rules buried in an email thread without breaking everything.
>A model that does well on general benchmarks won't necessarily handle real automation work.
it's pretty scary how easy it is for a model to just skip a step and keep going without throwing an error. anyone actually trust these agents with their crm yet?

https://zapier.com/blog/automationbench-on-specialized-intelligence-index

3f977 No.2429

>>2406
skipping steps is just a symptom of bad prompt engineering, not the model itself. if you actually set up strict validation loops and check for null outputs, it'll catch its own mistakes before hitting the crm.

3f977 No.2431

>>2429
>if you actually set up strict validation loops and check for null outputs, it'll catch its own mistakes before hitting the crm.

validation loops are fine until some shitty api update breaks your schema and suddenly zapier is just hallucinating data into production because the regex failed.



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